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> <channel><title>Comments on: Can FriendFeed save us from Conversation Fragmentation?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/</link> <description>Changing the world. One blog(ger) at a time.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:57:54 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: Tiger Two Tiger Podcast</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-23997</link> <dc:creator>Tiger Two Tiger Podcast</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:29:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-15050</guid> <description>Wow, my stomach is turning just thinking about it.I agree that friendfeed has great potential but they too will have to find a way to defragment commenting. At the moment they are one of the offenders, if I have that correctly. Meaning, they allow commenting on content being pulled into friendfeed which very well may be the same content I am commenting on right here. That&#039;s based off your example of Scobble. So friendfeed has some work to do on this front. They either need to pull in the comments along with the original content or they need to be able to push comments left at friendfeed to the content originator.The one thing I really like about socialthing is they not only aggregate your content but your friends content. For instance, I tell socialthing my flickr info right? It doesn&#039;t just show me photos I&#039;ve posted but it just *knows* my friends and shows thumbnail of photos they&#039;ve posted. WHEW! That means I don&#039;t have to YET AGAIN go to yet another social website and refriend all of these people (which friendfeed requires).That&#039;s another thing I would like to see change with friendfeed. Enough friending already. When you collect my tweets, know who my friends are on twitter and collect their tweets too. Don&#039;t make me pump all of my social sites and rss feeds into friendfeed and then go around and try to relocate all of my friends (on friendfeed) that I&#039;ve already friended on many of these social sites. Talk about fragmentation! ENOUGH ALREADY! :-) Profilactic does the same thing. Incredibly annoying and borderline not useful. Social thing has been my go-to aggregator for this reason: I tell socialthing my social sites, the credentials for said social sites and not only does it pull in my stream but my friends as well. Simple no-brainer!Concerning disqus I tried it, really liked it a lot, and moved away from it recently. There are features that I consider a must have and importing old comments is one of them. Until I see this, among other, features I can&#039;t consider them a major player. Again with the fragmentation, do you expect us to have half of our comments burried in our CMS and the other half buried in disqus? Didn&#039;t work for me and I stuck it out for quite a few months. Not saying I will never go back but I am saying that having my comments fragmented like that got real annoying real fast.
Anyway hey, GREAT entry, thanks for letting me ramble I feel better already!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, my stomach is turning just thinking about it.</p><p>I agree that friendfeed has great potential but they too will have to find a way to defragment commenting. At the moment they are one of the offenders, if I have that correctly. Meaning, they allow commenting on content being pulled into friendfeed which very well may be the same content I am commenting on right here. That&#8217;s based off your example of Scobble. So friendfeed has some work to do on this front. They either need to pull in the comments along with the original content or they need to be able to push comments left at friendfeed to the content originator.</p><p>The one thing I really like about socialthing is they not only aggregate your content but your friends content. For instance, I tell socialthing my flickr info right? It doesn&#8217;t just show me photos I&#8217;ve posted but it just *knows* my friends and shows thumbnail of photos they&#8217;ve posted. WHEW! That means I don&#8217;t have to YET AGAIN go to yet another social website and refriend all of these people (which friendfeed requires).</p><p>That&#8217;s another thing I would like to see change with friendfeed. Enough friending already. When you collect my tweets, know who my friends are on twitter and collect their tweets too. Don&#8217;t make me pump all of my social sites and rss feeds into friendfeed and then go around and try to relocate all of my friends (on friendfeed) that I&#8217;ve already friended on many of these social sites. Talk about fragmentation! ENOUGH ALREADY! <img
src='http://www.alistercameron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Profilactic does the same thing. Incredibly annoying and borderline not useful. Social thing has been my go-to aggregator for this reason: I tell socialthing my social sites, the credentials for said social sites and not only does it pull in my stream but my friends as well. Simple no-brainer!</p><p>Concerning disqus I tried it, really liked it a lot, and moved away from it recently. There are features that I consider a must have and importing old comments is one of them. Until I see this, among other, features I can&#8217;t consider them a major player. Again with the fragmentation, do you expect us to have half of our comments burried in our CMS and the other half buried in disqus? Didn&#8217;t work for me and I stuck it out for quite a few months. Not saying I will never go back but I am saying that having my comments fragmented like that got real annoying real fast.<br
/> Anyway hey, GREAT entry, thanks for letting me ramble I feel better already!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brendan Ross</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-15025</link> <dc:creator>Brendan Ross</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-15025</guid> <description>Cocktail party is the metahor I like for the blogosphere.  You never worry about &quot;keeping up with everyone&quot; at a party.  Eventually you&#039;ll just bump into them and reconnect.I&#039;m creating a conversation on www.capitalistcredo.com about the Capitalist Bill of Rights.  Just another part of the party.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cocktail party is the metahor I like for the blogosphere.  You never worry about &#8220;keeping up with everyone&#8221; at a party.  Eventually you&#8217;ll just bump into them and reconnect.</p><p>I&#8217;m creating a conversation on <a
href="http://www.capitalistcredo.com">http://www.capitalistcredo.com</a> about the Capitalist Bill of Rights.  Just another part of the party.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Beloy</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-15007</link> <dc:creator>Beloy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:36:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-15007</guid> <description>Alister, I found you on Frienderati.alltop.com, - as one of the 100 Best People for Friendfeed!, - and  thought you may also be interested to appear on my Frienderati.Mini-News.comPlease note it&#039;s NOT a copycat of AllTop:
The idea behind it is *Absolutely Unique*
-- The Ads-FREE Web!Please also note that unlike AllTop, you need to apply for your space on Mini-News. It&#039;s FREE, however, there is a &quot;25 people only&quot; limit for the Frienderati.Mini-News.com!The space is allocated on the &quot;First-applied First-granted&quot; basis!
And YOU are among the FIRST people to whom I&#039;m telling about it!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alister, I found you on Frienderati.alltop.com, &#8211; as one of the 100 Best People for Friendfeed!, &#8211; and  thought you may also be interested to appear on my Frienderati.Mini-News.com</p><p>Please note it&#8217;s NOT a copycat of AllTop:<br
/> The idea behind it is *Absolutely Unique*<br
/> &#8211; The Ads-FREE Web!</p><p>Please also note that unlike AllTop, you need to apply for your space on Mini-News. It&#8217;s FREE, however, there is a &#8220;25 people only&#8221; limit for the Frienderati.Mini-News.com!</p><p>The space is allocated on the &#8220;First-applied First-granted&#8221; basis!<br
/> And YOU are among the FIRST people to whom I&#8217;m telling about it!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Fiona Erna</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-14991</link> <dc:creator>Fiona Erna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:28:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-14991</guid> <description>To be able to aggregate pretty much all my activity into one place is indeed nice. I feel like I&#039;m making another life just to maintain all the information. Anyway, it&#039;s a very nice review. I&#039;m highlighting that FriendFeed is not in the aggregation business. They’re in the conversation business.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be able to aggregate pretty much all my activity into one place is indeed nice. I feel like I&#8217;m making another life just to maintain all the information. Anyway, it&#8217;s a very nice review. I&#8217;m highlighting that FriendFeed is not in the aggregation business. They’re in the conversation business.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alister Cameron</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-14970</link> <dc:creator>Alister Cameron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:06:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-14970</guid> <description>@Shey - thanks! That was a really helpful link. I was expecting to be told I&#039;m behind on this issue...!@Nick - I like it. I&#039;ve signed up! Thanks for the plug ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shey &#8211; thanks! That was a really helpful link. I was expecting to be told I&#8217;m behind on this issue&#8230;!</p><p>@Nick &#8211; I like it. I&#8217;ve signed up! Thanks for the plug <img
src='http://www.alistercameron.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shey</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-14967</link> <dc:creator>Shey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:24:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-14967</guid> <description>Alister, those are legitimate concerns.  The debate over distributed conversations has been well discussed —  I think it&#039;s a good thing.  Here&#039;s why: http://bit.ly/396tjV</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alister, those are legitimate concerns.  The debate over distributed conversations has been well discussed —  I think it&#8217;s a good thing.  Here&#8217;s why: <a
href="http://bit.ly/396tjV">http://bit.ly/396tjV</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick Halstead</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-14965</link> <dc:creator>Nick Halstead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:26:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-14965</guid> <description>Good article Alister, only thing I would add is a little shout out about our own product http:/fav.or.it - we have been building a platform that is bringing the conversation back to the blog. We are the only site who currently supports aggregation of comments + pushing of comments back to the blog. We also integrate with 12 other services where we can interact with those services (twitter, friendfeed, pownce, etc.) I would be interested in your feedback.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Alister, only thing I would add is a little shout out about our own product http:/fav.or.it &#8211; we have been building a platform that is bringing the conversation back to the blog. We are the only site who currently supports aggregation of comments + pushing of comments back to the blog. We also integrate with 12 other services where we can interact with those services (twitter, friendfeed, pownce, etc.) I would be interested in your feedback.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-14961</link> <dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:40:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-14961</guid> <description>I thought I would reply to my comment since I made a typo in my email address and want to know when/if someone replies, and of course to prove my point lol.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I would reply to my comment since I made a typo in my email address and want to know when/if someone replies, and of course to prove my point lol.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc</title><link>http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/07/14/can-friendfeed-save-us-from-conversation-fragmentation/comment-page-1/#comment-14960</link> <dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:38:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alistercameron.com/?p=359#comment-14960</guid> <description>I have a small project that Im contemplating on that has to do with this.  Basically it&#039;s what you have said here.  Conversations in blogs are niche and often burried over time, conversations in forums are broad and stickys dont do justice, and then of course there is all the aggregator services that spread stuff too thin.We have wikipedia for mostly objective content, we need a ConverPedia for subjective content...conversational stuff of course with the ability to set parent and child relationships so it&#039;s one huge circular conversation about anything and everything allowing the user to stay at the surface level or dive deep when needed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a small project that Im contemplating on that has to do with this.  Basically it&#8217;s what you have said here.  Conversations in blogs are niche and often burried over time, conversations in forums are broad and stickys dont do justice, and then of course there is all the aggregator services that spread stuff too thin.</p><p>We have wikipedia for mostly objective content, we need a ConverPedia for subjective content&#8230;conversational stuff of course with the ability to set parent and child relationships so it&#8217;s one huge circular conversation about anything and everything allowing the user to stay at the surface level or dive deep when needed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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